Character discussion : This Week 'Megatron!'

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 1:31 pm

"Nobody summons Megatron!"
Then it pleases me to be the first!
And here we are - after many weeks, with the king of the Decepticons.
Powerfull-clever-evil without remorse
The greatest Decepticon leader of them all?

ALL HAIL MEGATRON!!!

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 1:34 pm

He was a prat.

Post by **Kaylee** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 1:44 pm

His schemes were mostly nonsense. Quite how he managed to rule the Decepticons successfully for millennia is a mystery, it just does't fit his character: i.e. utterly incapable.

It's all very well being told 'how inteligent he is', we never actually see it. In any continuity AFAIK.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 1:54 pm

The "sneaking into Autobot City" plan in the Movie was fairly clever, for him anyway. He did nick it from the Greeks, though...

Post by **Kaylee** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 1:59 pm

Brendocon wrote:The "sneaking into Autobot City" plan in the Movie was fairly clever, for him anyway. He did nick it from the Greeks, though...

Thing is tho it should surely never have worked? You'd have thought the shuttle would have to send some sort of specific code or message to prove it was who it said it was, or if nothing else that theyd have to talk to someone in Autobot City via videolink to request landing permission.

The Greeks were at least more subtle. Not as if they all stuck on false moustaches and pretended to tulk lak theeze in order to gain access...

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 2:03 pm

Loved Megs in the movie, in G2, in the Marvel UK Prey arc, and most of his appearances as the 'clone.'

Also like Beast Wars and Armada (comic) incarnations.

Megatron is the founder of the Decepticons! Nuff said?

Post by **Kaylee** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 2:04 pm

S'not the same Megatron tho in BW surely? Different chap with the same name

And I thought the ol' Maximo founded the Decepticons? Or something.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 2:06 pm

spiderfrommars wrote:Megatron is the founder of the Decepticons! Nuff said?

Omega was the founder of Transfans...

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 2:17 pm

The Megatron we see back in the fighting pits on cybertron strikes me as the charismatic psychopath we heard about in the past - he knows how to work up the warrior lust in a Decepticon.

To begin with I think he had clear goals on earth, Tap it up for Energon and such whilst killing of the Autobots - And it was all going well untill Prime literally went Limbo...

The Megs went nuts, back on cybe he seemed a bit more calm, his old self.

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 6:09 pm

Cartoon Megs: Did an EXCELLENT job of coming up with schemes that took about 22.5 minutes to foil. While his leadership and/or crazy schemes were sometimes humorous, they never approached the level of idiocy or kitzchiness that Galvatron's did. Piss poor shot.

Comic G1 Megs: Super! Well, for US 1-25, anyway. And that whole Joey Slick thing. When he came back the first time, it seemed like he was there for two seconds before Ratchet blew him up. Then the Megs/Ratch thing was classic, to be sure. After that, he's basically just a loon.

Comic G2 Megs: Probably the best Megatron, characterization wise. Ruthless and just a little insane with ego, but also a smart tactician with great battle smarts. The whole second half arc with Oppy and Megs teaming up and eventually battling Primal Starscream was completly and utterly ace.

DW Megs: Like Impactor said, the gladiator Megatron who leads a revolution is great stuff. Unfortunately, that was only a two page splash. And the rest of the pages were taken up with things like WW V1, and G1 V1, where he sucks.

Señior's Covenant · Post by **Señior's Covenant** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 6:13 pm

I love him.

Hound · Post by **Hound** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 7:11 pm

Megatron is rubbish

When are we discussing Ratchet?

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 8:02 pm

Hound wrote:Megatron is rubbish

When are we discussing Ratchet?

next week?

One thing that always struck me as odd was megs spent his early days on earth finding energy sources, but wasnt to fussed about contacting cybertron.

his plans wernt to bad he decided to wipe out the ark crew... back fired of course

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 8:38 pm

He should have dumped a nuke on the Ark. Or used his blackhole capabilities.
Unfortunately, all villians have to lose to the good guys (in TF at least), so any Decepticon leader will look inept after repeated failiures - despite the occasional victory. Look at the huge blunder Shockwave made when he just hung the deactivated Autobots up in the Ark when he first arrived on Earth instead of mincing them. AND Prime's body.
Megatron seemed to not adapt to Earth life that well - it strikes me that he was fairly sane back on Cybertron, but the moment he came to Earth he started to degenerate mentally. His short trip back (mentioned by Impactor earlier) did him some good - perhaps he should have stayed there and ran things from Cybertron.
G2 Megs was probably the best version of him, for all points already raised.

Hound · Post by **Hound** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 9:55 pm

I think the reason G2 Megs is generally far better is the fact that Furman had total control over his character, rather than writing around Budiansky's work and keeping the character consistant.

The only good thing G1 Megs did was highlight how much more superior the likes of Shockwave and Soundwave are in his posistion.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 10:24 pm

Autobloke wrote:G2 Megs was probably the best version of him, for all points already raised.

^ This.

G1, his best story was probably Fall and Rise. I really thought it was the start of great things for Megatron. Damn clone thing. And it was a real shame that his new big comeback featured Micromasters and Pretender Starscream instead of anything resembling an actual plan. Useless.

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 10:27 pm

Megatron relying on Micromasters and Starscream? What a dumbass.

KingMob · Post by **KingMob** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 1:12 am

Megatron's a character I have a more fondness for than I can logically explain, as he is a right plonker most of the time. And G2 aside, most of his particularly neat bits turned out to be done by clone-Megs.
Agree on Fall and Rise being a great bit...really gave you a little taste of what we were always told Megs was supposed to be...I'm also extraordinarily fond of Two Megatrons and Megs' chapter of Aspects of Evil.

I think Megs is a character who really works when used to fight (literally/metaphorically) representations of his psychological problems; many standout Megs stories have this kind of text. It allows at least a part of what should be his true glory to surface. There should be a sense of the majestic about Megatron, and it's times like that when you can kinda see it, glimmering behind the madness, bitterness and deluded bonkers-la-la-talk.

edit: cartoon Megs...well, I like his catchphrase "...conquer the universe!".
And I like how he's referred to as the "maniacal Megatron" in the movie intro. Suits him.

Ozz · Post by **Ozz** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 8:08 am

I like Megatron, but only when he's written right. It didn't happen too often, though. Handful of examples of good Megatron stries were already given.

When's not written right, he's really terrible, I think it shows even more than others.

One of my dissapointments with DW's Generation 1 ongoing was that Megatron after all those claims how he's going to kill all those who betrayed him, he just castrated Shockwave and shoot Starscream in stomach. He let them both live, which no doubt would backfire later. Stupid.

KingMob wrote:edit: cartoon Megs...well, I like his catchphrase "...conquer the universe!".

I thought his catch phrase was "Decepticons, retreat!".

Post by **Best First** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:06 am

I think Megs is pretty crap, and that it's a massive contrivance that Prime didn't stove his head in years ago.

Of course i think the Decepticons as a while tend to show far too much restraint, which si probablya contrivance that springs from the licences origins.

Back to Megs tho I think the worst thing is that we have never seen much that really underscores how he managed to conquer almost all of Cybertron. He's a bit of an embraessment really.

G2... meh, he's ok, but he still ressurrects Starscream for no apparent reason doesn't he? And then utterly fails to keep an eye on him. And ignores Prime when he should have listened to him. And gets beaten up by Jhiaxus. Muppet.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 11:19 am

Anyone feel his WW mode was bad-ass and looked liked he could conqure cybertron?

Hes great in the Movie, I really love his arogance in front of Unicron

dying and faced with a huge metal planet, you mouth off like you have a pair. good stuff.

As character design gos I love the look of him transforming into a gun, a potent single minded symbol of destruction is class.

Señior's Covenant · Post by **Señior's Covenant** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 1:31 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:Anyone feel his WW mode was bad-ass and looked liked he could conqure cybertron?

Yes sir.

One of the things I think Megatron has suffered from is having to be written alongside the inclusive adverts for new toys coming out constantly, constantly, constantly.

I love him.

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 2:57 pm

I always liked Megs, he got such a bum deal all round, but i guess they had to make him made/useless otherwise he'd have been too much of a badass? (that's what i've always thought anyway).

Don't get me started on the cartoon version, really, don't... at least he had some vaguley successful ideas in the comic...

Señior's Covenant · Post by **Señior's Covenant** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 4:36 pm

Something I don't get, never got, if I have a proper description in my possession I know not where to find it (which is highly possible); What exactly is Megatron's whole blackhole thing about? Is it part of his fusion cannon setup or him as a whole? How does it work? Can he not control it or was that just a problem Straxatron had?

Post by **Best First** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 4:50 pm

I think he can basically tap into a well of anti-matter, but once its let loose its hard fro him to control and almost as mch of a threat to him as those he is attacking.

so...yeah, why even hav ethat ability in the first place?

Although as we saw in the UK its pretty good for taking everyone with you if you know you are screwed.

so maybe that's why he has it.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:05 pm

Always loved the way Magnus and Prime strolled into the Decepticon base... but anyhows.

I like that power, its pretty "feck off were all dead, im an evil take everyone with me kind of guy"

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 6:18 pm

Megs?

Maniac,egoist yet still charismatic.I especially like his speech to the Cons in G2 before they battle the Cybertronian Empire. Goes to show the likes of Bludgeon or Scorpy never had such charisma. (And Shockwave and Soundwave,as much as I like them, are totally 'uncharimsatic boors' as Hook put it).

I think we would have seen better stories with G1 Megs,if his toy would've been out for 5 years like Prime, not 2 years.... Darn toy-comic connection.

I think Megs was good in TWW. Showed OP how 'green' he was compared to Megs who was preparing for this since eons.

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 8:14 pm

Señior's Covenant wrote:What exactly is Megatron's whole blackhole thing about? Is it part of his fusion cannon setup or him as a whole? How does it work?

If you like the DW explanation of how sparks were what gave a TF his special power (I liked it), then it could be due to that.
I always hated how his arms seemed to come off when he transformed in the cartoon.

Señior's Covenant · Post by **Señior's Covenant** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 8:18 pm

Have you ever read "A chance in a million" (or something to that effect) by Raksha from Lexicon? It's a nice little story.

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 8:23 pm

Señior's Covenant wrote:Have you ever read "A chance in a million" (or something to that effect) by Raksha from Lexicon? It's a nice little story.

Nay. Anything on the 'net of this?

Also, will anyone be starting character discussions in forums other than G1/G2? I quite fancy analysing Cheetor or Black Arachnia or characters from other series. I didn't want to tread on any toes by just starting one myself, and it could put a bit of life back in those little-used forums.