Character discussion : This Week 'Fortress Maximus'

[Darth Aux]

I wish that Fort Max and Scorpie were redesigned.

How about a nice blue no yellow, damn that's been done to erm a green corvette? Yeah That's Scorpie sorted, now for FM, erm I see a red Subaru, yes that's it all sorted. Wow how original would those two be?

Please don't read this has/Tak and make these your next Alternators, enough repaints!

[Impactor returns 2.0]

Plus Galvy had just crashed in a spaceship (which rendered everyone else inoperative).

Plus he was loopy.

There's that brief moment when he tries to regain compusure, and just as he does Max attacks, sending Galvy off the deep end again. I wonder if Galvy had the time to collect his thoughts if the outcome would have been different.

Yeah, this is a fair explanation of how Galv was beaten by FM, However, was he actually killed in this battle? If not, I'm sure Galv would recover and with no other Autobots left on Ezarth, what then? He has recovered from worse than a beating from Fort Max in the past, like when he crashes to Earth and takes on Centurion within 5 mins, or when he is encapsulated under lava for months....

Yeah falling in water isnt gonna be much of a beating for Galvy.

This guy can take a punch from unicron!

[ShadowSonic]

That's a problem I have with Furman, I refuse to believe that Galvatron is THAT powerful. I mean, he wasn't getting an extra power boost from Unicron at that point, and he's been beaten by Rodimus Prime in the past, now we're supposed to believe he's some unstoppable god?

[Impactor returns 2.0]

yup, and why not, hes made by a god, so just how much more advanced can he be?

He was beaten by roddy, what in the movie? when he opened the matrix, im pretty sure roddy was nigh on god like at that moment.

And I do belive Galvy could withstand a punch from Unicron, its like trying to squash a marbel or somthing. im pretty sure Unicron knew that his lil pet is a tough nut to crack.

I still truly belive he is the most deadly TF of all time, his strength is 2nd to none, his endurance, speed and firepower are all incredible by any standard.
Hes not to stupid either, and when he wants to be hes killing machine.

Besides anyone who can best the dinobots and blaster is doing ok...knocking him down is one thing, but getting him to stay down is another.

Also, the wreckers knew that with mahem attack squad they would still have a hard time sending galvy back to the future, u think about that, 10 of the best TF there are, and they still felt underpowered! against just 1

Yup, in my book, short of a time storm he cannot be stopped.

[Stormwolf]

Yup, in my book, short of a time storm he cannot be stopped.

Powermaster Prime might have chance against him

[Dead Head]

He was beaten by roddy, what in the movie? when he opened the matrix, im pretty sure roddy was nigh on god like at that moment.

It was like:

Code: Select all

Rodimus Prime: "OMG!!1 matrix powr up!"
/rprime1 lifts galtron_rules
Galvatron: "huh? WTF????"
Rodimus Prime: "i gonna throwe u foool!"
/rprime chucks galtron_rules
Rodimus Prime: "LOL. pwned!!!!!!!1... eye'm s0 l33t!"

One fortuitous throw == Total beatdown ?
Negative.

[Best First]

yup, and why not, hes made by a god, so just how much more advanced can he be?

As opposed to all the other TFs, who are made by... a god.

[DarkConvoy]

Uh....... Fort Max is a city bot. so how can he be equal to G2 Megatron, G2 Prime. That would be like saying Galvatron could easily handle all the cities. I say it all goes back to bad writing by Furman by making Galvatron seem too strong and Megs Stupid. What we need is actual writers who do background research
before they write and screw everything up.

I think that the Strength rating goes like this:


- Unicron, Primus

- Original Transformers, the Swarm, Underbase Starscream, Warworld Starscream

- Citybots

- Galvatron, Powermaster Optimus Prime, Ultra Magnus (when enraged)

- G2 Megatron, G2 Prime, G1 Scorponok, G1 Fort Max

- Actionmaster Prime, Ultra Magnus (not enraged)

- G1 Optimus Prime, G1 Megatron, Thunderwing, Straxus, Rodimus Prime

[DarkConvoy]

Actually in the Headmasters Series(Japan) he was defeated this same way

Plus Galvy had just crashed in a spaceship (which rendered everyone else inoperative).

Plus he was loopy.

There's that brief moment when he tries to regain compusure, and just as he does Max attacks, sending Galvy off the deep end again. I wonder if Galvy had the time to collect his thoughts if the outcome would have been different.

Yeah, this is a fair explanation of how Galv was beaten by FM, However, was he actually killed in this battle? If not, I'm sure Galv would recover and with no other Autobots left on Ezarth, what then? He has recovered from worse than a beating from Fort Max in the past, like when he crashes to Earth and takes on Centurion within 5 mins, or when he is encapsulated under lava for months....

Yeah falling in water isnt gonna be much of a beating for Galvy.

This guy can take a punch from unicron!

[Best First]

What we need is actual writers who do background stories before they write and screw everything up.

eh?

[DarkConvoy]

Hmm made by a GOD hmmm so then that would make all the others Cyclonus, Scourge and the sweeps all his equal.......hmm and weren't all the Transformers made by Primus at some point. Hmm Primus is a God so that would make them equals too. hmmmmm Why not we all agree that all this mess was created by a Bad Writer FURMAN who had no real Idea what he was doing. Imean he even Killed Bwars for crying out loud. Furman should not be allowed to touch Transformers anything ever again. Let him and his religious themed storylines dissapear and give Transformers a better future. As for Fort Max he's a city/Base he can squish regular size bots in his hand. Again he's just a badly screwed character that was Destroyed like most of the Transformer line by Bad Writer FURMAN( I still can't believe he brought Death's head into Tformers I guess Dhead was a character he made)

yup, and why not, hes made by a god, so just how much more advanced can he be?

He was beaten by roddy, what in the movie? when he opened the matrix, im pretty sure roddy was nigh on god like at that moment.

And I do belive Galvy could withstand a punch from Unicron, its like trying to squash a marbel or somthing. im pretty sure Unicron knew that his lil pet is a tough nut to crack.

I still truly belive he is the most deadly TF of all time, his strength is 2nd to none, his endurance, speed and firepower are all incredible by any standard.
Hes not to stupid either, and when he wants to be hes killing machine.

Besides anyone who can best the dinobots and blaster is doing ok...knocking him down is one thing, but getting him to stay down is another.

Also, the wreckers knew that with mahem attack squad they would still have a hard time sending galvy back to the future, u think about that, 10 of the best TF there are, and they still felt underpowered! against just 1

Yup, in my book, short of a time storm he cannot be stopped.

[DarkConvoy]

I meant research

What we need is actual writers who do background stories before they write and screw everything up.

eh?

[Hound]

cartoon fan perchance?

He's far from perfect but its simple fact that Furman wrote the best Transformer stories. You only need the ability to read to get the jist of this.

[DarkConvoy]

I unfortunately read all his UK stuff just seemed like rubbish. Always tries to involve religion which he also did in Beast Machines which killed that too hmmmm and his US stuff the Last autobot was a joke. And has anyone ever read his "Ultimate Guide to Transformers" Lets see PM Prime was explained as an Alternate Reality character actually all Masters were. Heck most things in that book were explained that way. Best Writer nah nowhere near it. I would give that to the writers of Beastwars until Furman helped out (And they didn't even know Transformers that well)

cartoon fan perchance?

He's far from perfect but its simple fact that Furman wrote the best Transformer stories. You only need the ability to read to get the jist of this.

[Best First]

I unfortunately read all his UK stuff just seemed like rubbish. Always tries to involve religion

If you have read all his UK stuff then you will know that that is patently bollocks. Where is religion in T2006? or Time Wars? Or Wanted Galvatron Dead or Alive? Second Generation? In The National Interest?

While he does apply a layer of myth to TFs - for instance in The Legacy of Unicron - what is, you know, actually wrong with this?

which he also did in Beast Machines which killed that too hmmmm

and he wrote how many epidods of that exactly? Beast Machines was written largely by Bob Skir.

and his US stuff the Last autobot was a joke.

why?

And has anyone ever read his "Ultimate Guide to Transformers" Lets see PM Prime was explained as an Alternate Reality character actually all Masters were. Heck most things in that book were explained that way.

He is detailing the fact that there are varying TF continuities - its not as if he has to explian certain characters and can only come up with 'alternate reality', its that he is (obviously) detailing where these characters turned up

Best Writer nah nowhere near it. I would give that to the writers of Beastwars until Furman helped out (And they didn't even know Transformers that well)

So... anything to say about what exactly is wrong with Furman's episode? Anything other than general bashing with no real critcal faculty behind it i mean?

[Bouncelot]

Uh....... Fort Max is a city bot.

Only in Cartoon continuity. And we were discussing events in Marvel Comic continuity.

[Dead Head]

Also, I think certain quarters read the notion of Transformer 'gods' i.e. Unicron and Primus too unequivocally. For me, it's an 'quick', or 'shorthand' or 'tabloid headline' term to simply label those two very unique gigantic squabbling robots.

[Stormwolf]

Oh great, a Furman basher

[Shanti418]

Oh great, a Furman basher

I know, I know. If we're going to dredge up age old, ideological TF disputes, I'd much rather go the "Truck NOT Monkey!!" route.

[spiderfrommars]

Uh....... Fort Max is a city bot. What we need is actual writers who do background research
before they write and screw everything up.

It was Budiansky who made Fort Max normal sized, not Furman. So, background research? Budiansky wrote the TF bios, so maybe the cartoon makers should have done their research instead?

Still, Fort Max was such a memorable character in the cartoon, with incredible characterisation - you're right, screw the comic, and those pesky writers who made it up as they went along!

[DarkConvoy]

I unfortunately read all his UK stuff just seemed like rubbish. Always tries to involve religion

If you have read all his UK stuff then you will know that that is patently bollocks. Where is religion in T2006? or Time Wars? Or Wanted Galvatron Dead or Alive? Second Generation? In The National Interest?

While he does apply a layer of myth to TFs - for instance in The Legacy of Unicron - what is, you know, actually wrong with this?

which he also did in Beast Machines which killed that too hmmmm

and he wrote how many epidods of that exactly? Beast Machines was written largely by Bob Skir.

Which was all written under the Direction of Furman!

and his US stuff the Last autobot was a joke.

why?

And has anyone ever read his "Ultimate Guide to Transformers" Lets see PM Prime was explained as an Alternate Reality character actually all Masters were. Heck most things in that book were explained that way.

He is detailing the fact that there are varying TF continuities - its not as if he has to explian certain characters and can only come up with 'alternate reality', its that he is (obviously) detailing where these characters turned up
He's making excuses for not knowing and instead of trying to figure it out he wimps out and says ALternate Reality so I guess all the stuff that happened after the headmasters came to earth really was all done in an alternate reality. hmm no spike as the headthen huh

Best Writer nah nowhere near it. I would give that to the writers of Beastwars until Furman helped out (And they didn't even know Transformers that well)

So... anything to say about what exactly is wrong with Furman's episode? Anything other than general bashing with no real critcal faculty behind it i mean?

[DarkConvoy]

Actually he was a city/base in the comic too

Uh....... Fort Max is a city bot.

Only in Cartoon continuity. And we were discussing events in Marvel Comic continuity.

[spiderfrommars]

1) No, in comic continuity he is a battle station, not a city.

2) Furman had nothing to do with Beast Machines.

3) Powermaster Prime as an alternative universe character would have been a Dreamwave directive.

4) Stop multi-posting.

Thanks.

[Metal Vendetta]

To get back to Maxie for a bit, I thought that it was heartening his brief appearance in Micromasters, though clumsily written, was true to his G1 comics incarnation rather than the cartoon interpretation suggested by the WW1 flash-forward. Though that's about all there is good to say about it.

Just read it again. Terrible mess.

[Shanti418]

And I went back and re read the G2 incarnation of Max, and dislike it still. And he's definetly NOT city sized here. He's about as big as Megsy.

[Death's Head]

[double posting malarkey]

[Death's Head]

Several points, which have probably been covered already, but I've not slept all night, just had a wank and read some incomprehensible tosh from some illiterate fool on this forum, and so will reiterate:

1) Furman had nothing to do with Beast Machines. At all. Ever. He says as much in a Transforce 2001 interview. Bob Skir and Marty Isenburg were the creative team.

2) Despite Furman only writing one episode of Beast Wars (which had to be scaled back due to budget and the impending end of the series which in its last season was slightly lacklustre compared to the previous two), the creators Bob Forward and Larry DiTillio based a lot of their backstory on Furman's G1-2 Marvel comics. So shut up.

3) Furman first brought up Transformer religion in Legacy of Unicron as mentioned. Not, I presume, as a sly way of indoctrinating us into his personal views, but rather as a shorthand way of injecting grandeur into a toy franchise. If he has returned to those themes in his recent work it's probably because he has become a fairly lazy, complacent writer content to rework the same themes he introduced twenty-odd years ago.

If you're going to argue, at least know what you're talking about. And use the hole on your face, next time. Not the one on your arse.

[spiderfrommars]

To get back to Maxie for a bit, I thought that it was heartening his brief appearance in Micromasters, though clumsily written, was true to his G1 comics incarnation rather than the cartoon interpretation suggested by the WW1 flash-forward.

I think the idea was that later, when he becomes a Headmaster, he gets upgraded in size more like the cartoon.

[Death's Head]

To get back to Maxie for a bit, I thought that it was heartening his brief appearance in Micromasters, though clumsily written, was true to his G1 comics incarnation rather than the cartoon interpretation suggested by the WW1 flash-forward.

I think the idea was that later, when he becomes a Headmaster, he gets upgraded in size more like the cartoon.

I have to say the artwork for that bit was gorgeous.

[Bouncelot]

3) Furman first brought up Transformer religion in Legacy of Unicron as mentioned. Not, I presume, as a sly way of indoctrinating us into his personal views, but rather as a shorthand way of injecting grandeur into a toy franchise. If he has returned to those themes in his recent work it's probably because he has become a fairly lazy, complacent writer content to rework the same themes he introduced twenty-odd years ago.

And he wasn't the first to bring up the subject of TF religion, either. Think back to US #1, when the Autobot patrol first sees the Drive-in movie. One of them speculates that it's some kind of religious ritual. At this point, the TFs were portrayed as having had no contact with non-Transformer life, so obviously the TFs were intended to have religious beliefs right from the very start.

I think the idea was that later, when he becomes a Headmaster, he gets upgraded in size more like the cartoon.

I think he supposedly only doubled (or was it quadrupled?) in size. Given that cartoon Max was on a par with Metroplex size-wise, it clearly wasn't intended to take him up to that size level, merely to make him big enough that they could plausibly introduce the Cerebros bit of the toy.